Asexuals who LOOOOOVE teh sex

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Asexuals who LOOOOOVE teh sex

Postby Mage » Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:19 am

I feel like a n00b every time I post, since I've discovered that I can't possibly go through every single post ever made by an asexual anywhere (but feel like I should have done so!). So I'm sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere in detail.

Since there have been a number of blog posts recently about antisexuality, sex-negativity, etc., and since we talk about sexual repulsion all the time, I thought I'd bring up asexuals who LOVE sex.

Personally, I would like to be one of them. I'm one of those asexuals who doesn't feel loved and rarely gets pleasure from sex, but I tell myself that the next time could be different. Afterall, I've only had sex a handful of times, and now that I understand that I wasn't sexually attracted and might never be, there is the possibility of putting the confusion aside and exploring to see if there is any fun to be had. Ahem. Anyway, this is not about me!

I know that there are aces out there who enjoy sex, but I don't hear much from them about their sexual pleasure. So I am curious to know, if you love sex or even just like it a little bit and are on the asexual spectrum:

1) What aspects of sex do you find enjoyable?
2) What sort of sexual acts do you engage in?
3) How do you know when you'd like to have sex with someone?
4) Are there certain qualifications people must fit for you to have sex with them, and what are they?
5) How frequently do you have sex, or how frequently would you like to have sex?
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Postby Siggy » Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:23 pm

I am a gray-A who likes sex. I won't answer every question though, for privacy reasons.

1) I mostly like cuddling and making out. Cuddling makes me realize how much I like being physically close to the person. I know that many asexuals think of this as separate from sex, but I experience them as connected. It just seems like the natural next step is to remove clothes and have sex. The sex itself... it's okay. Orgasm is pleasurable, but I'm not convinced that a partner greatly improves the experience.

2) Decline to answer

3) I don't just get a desire to have sex with people. Instead, I have a desire to cuddle with people. I get this feeling that, wouldn't it be great if this person were in my arms right now? This feeling occurs only in certain contexts, such as in a relationship.

4) It must be someone I'm in a relationship with. I'm only looking for serious long-term relationships with men.

5) Won't comment on frequency. I will say, however, that I basically don't care how frequently I have sex. It's not important.

I'll add an extra question:
6) How does sex affect your relationships?

Why bother seeking a nonsexual relationship, when I would slightly prefer a sexual relationship, and they're so much easier to find? However, there are problems. I'm not that enthusiastic about sex. I tend to really devalue its importance. I tend not to take any initiative. I think it's noticeable that I enjoy it less than other people. Most of the time, I'm not desiring it or even thinking about it.

I openly identify as gray-A, because a partner needs to be aware of these things. Otherwise, I think they might get really confused, think it was something personal. But then, knowing it's nothing personal doesn't always help, because the problem is still there.

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Postby Mage » Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:38 pm

Thanks for responding, Siggy. You make a good point about privacy, and I was about to make a post suggesting that perhaps it would be better if I made an anonymous survey and put it on my blog for some of these questions. So I think that'll be the next step, happening probably either tonight or tomorrow.

I'm not 100% sure what I'm going to do with this information yet, but I think it is valuable to know that some of us are more than just positive about sex but actually enjoy it and desire it without experiencing attraction. I think it is validating. Anyway, I do want to gather information and see what I can extract from it and if there are any generalizations to be made.
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Postby paranoidgynandroid » Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:00 pm

Siggy's answer was extremely close to what I'd write, especially question 6.

Although I've not been in a relationship for four years now (and can't say I miss the sexual element of a relationship at all), I find sex perfectly enjoyable, especially from a sensual point of view. I'm quite adept at pleasuring myself when I want to though, and don't tend to enjoy sex that feels like something I could do myself done less well (partly because sex isn't want I think about when pleasuring myself).

I'm not sure if I'd prefer a sexual or asexual partner were I able to magically find my ideal partner, although I do prefer physical intimacy. I think if anything in previous relationships, the problem has not been my lack of willingness or ability to have sex but my partner's preference for sexual intimacy over non-sexual physical intimacy (I would like at least an equal amount of snuggling as sex and I think my partner struggled to understand that the snuggling was more important to me than the sex). I would be perfectly happy in a non-sexual intimate relationship though and not feel I'm missing anything (and I'm not particularly unhappy being a 'stand alone' person at the moment).

Siggy wrote:I am a gray-A who likes sex. I won't answer every question though, for privacy reasons.


This probably shows how long it's been since I've got into discussions about asexuality, but what exactly is a 'grey-A'? I'm getting the impression it's one of the sub-identities that have been coined in reaction to AVEN's headline definition not talking in terms of 'little or no attraction' but I haven't come across a clear definition yet.

I'm curious about the meanings of the various sub-identities and labels that have developed in the asexual community since I stopped actively participating. Especially in terms of how and when they developed, as well as why there was felt to be a need for them and what they're agreed to mean.

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Postby SlightlyMetaphysical » Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:02 pm

Mage wrote:I feel like a n00b every time I post, since I've discovered that I can't possibly go through every single post ever made by an asexual anywhere (but feel like I should have done so!).


You're just not trying hard enough!!


I'm gonna go ahead and answer this even though:
-I don't technically class myself as asexual anymore
-I have no actual experience of sex and a lot of unknowns
-Some of it may be TMI for me to write publically


1) What aspects of sex do you find enjoyable?
Probably the same sort of things as most people. I've considered the possibility that I may end up stone, or stone-ish (only giving and not recieving pleasure). I like the idea of the closeness, and the fun.
2) What sort of sexual acts do you engage in?
It'd probably be about the same variety as 'normal' people. Although the 'stone' thing might create obvious exceptions.
3) How do you know when you'd like to have sex with someone?
Pretty much when I'm sexually attracted to them. Which doesn't help in understanding sex-having asexuals.
4) Are there certain qualifications people must fit for you to have sex with them, and what are they?
I think I need to be aesthetically and emotionally attracted to them. They also need to have a progressive view of sex, be willing to communicate and be sexually responsible.
5) How frequently do you have sex, or how frequently would you like to have sex?
Never, not a clue.

Ok, that was useless. Sorry.

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Postby Siggy » Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:07 pm

Gray-A is meant to cover the gray region between asexual and sexual. There's not much point in being more specific than that, because there are a lot of ways to be gray-A. The AVENwiki lists a few examples. I generally don't use the term outside the community, I just say I'm gay/asexual/between.

Yes, I think gray-A was coined in reaction to AVEN's narrower headline definition (obviously I was not around the community to see this happen). Based on the AVENwiki history, "gray-A" used to refer specifically to low sex-drive. Personally, I would feel uncomfortable with that definition, because it doesn't fit me. I would also be uncomfortable with identifying as asexual under the older broader definition, because that's too much identity dissonance for me, and doesn't send the right message to potential partners. Mind you, sometimes I just pass as asexual anyways, if the circumstance suits it.

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Postby Dargon » Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:38 pm

First off, because of how peculiar my views on sex are, I do not identify as asexual. I opt to not use a label and actually describe my sexuality when questioned.

Second, I am still a virgin, thus I will not be answering questions based on experience, but will be answering the question as to what I anticipate I would answer if I were involved in a sexual relationship.

1) What aspects of sex do you find enjoyable?

What made me realize I may find sex enjoyable was actually pornography. I spent many years trying to figure out why some were exciting and others not, and eventually I realized the factor was the excitement in the actresses. I was excited by those that genuinely seemed to be enjoying the experience, and bored by those who seemed to be faking or just in general not having a good time.

As such, I anticipate that in an actual sexual experience, what I would find most enjoyable would be whatever aspects my partner enjoyed.

That being said, the nerve endings still work, so I also anticipate any other physical sensations would also be pleasurable, albeit I anticipate I would enjoy my partner's pleasure more.

2) What sort of sexual acts do you engage in?

I have not engaged in sex with a partner. If masturbation is considered a sexual activity, I have done that.

That being said, I am rather comfortable with the ideas behind many sexual acts, including many that most would find weird. My personal boundaries are likely my partner's boundaries, as the idea of pushing someone beyond their own boundaries is not something I am comfortable with.

That being said, there are some things I would draw the line at, though I shall not list them as they may indeed squick some people out.

3) How do you know when you'd like to have sex with someone?
4) Are there certain qualifications people must fit for you to have sex with them, and what are they?

I am combining these two into a single question, as I seem them highly related to the point of overlap.

There are very few people who I would have sex with if they offered. In short, I would have to be quite comfortable with and trusting of them (two things that are not easy to accomplish with me). Gaining that level of comfort and trust is generally something that takes a matter of years.

Second, they would have to be aware of my views on the matter. Many people are uncomfortable of the idea of sexual relationships outside of dating (I do not date) or monogamy (which, by most people's definitions, I do not practice). This would have to be out in the open and they would have to be okay with it before I would accept a sexual invitation.

Third, they would likely have to extend the invitation. Because so much as sexual advances seems to be able to destroy friendships, and because of how highly I value the friendships I have, I would likely not extend the offer myself.

Additionally, at risk of sounding shallow, there are some aesthetic standards. For females, the range is pretty broad. For males, the range is pretty tiny. I suppose it is as many sexuals put it, they could not be in a relationship with someone they are not attracted to. Perhaps it could be argued I do experience some obscure form of sexual attraction.

5) How frequently do you have sex, or how frequently would you like to have sex?

I have no frequency preferences myself, but I suppose as often as my partner would enjoy.



As for the term grey-a, it stems from that grey area between sexual and asexual. The situation I saw it used most was case-specific sexual attraction, such as not experiencing sexual attraction except in a relationship, or only experiencing sexual attraction once sexually involved. The actual definition seems a but vague, but it does nicely fill in that grey area in the sexual/asexual binary.

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Postby paranoidgynandroid » Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:23 pm

Siggy wrote:Gray-A is meant to cover the gray region between asexual and sexual. There's not much point in being more specific than that, because there are a lot of ways to be gray-A. The AVENwiki lists a few examples. I generally don't use the term outside the community, I just say I'm gay/asexual/between.


Oh yes I should obviously read the rest of the wiki! Although that page doesn't really go into when and how the term was coined (although I suppose given the gradient on the original triangle diagram, it's not surprising that it was coined - the theory page implied it existed all along).

Even though I wrote the FAQ on asexuality, I do actually tend to tell strangers I'm 'mostly asexual' just because it's easier than explaining that asexuality is about orientation not behaviour (or what romantic asexuals are).

Siggy wrote:Yes, I think gray-A was coined in reaction to AVEN's narrower headline definition (obviously I was not around the community to see this happen). Based on the AVENwiki history, "gray-A" used to refer specifically to low sex-drive. Personally, I would feel uncomfortable with that definition, because it doesn't fit me. I would also be uncomfortable with identifying as asexual under the older broader definition, because that's too much identity dissonance for me, and doesn't send the right message to potential partners. Mind you, sometimes I just pass as asexual anyways, if the circumstance suits it.


It looks more like the page was named and about Hyposexuals, then later it was renamed and edited to cover the whole of Grey-A with Hyposexuals increasingly moved to a footnote. It would be interesting to know if that represents the history of the term, originally synonymous with hyposexual and then gradually given a wider more inclusive meaning, or whether it just represents the history of the wiki article...

Certainly yes, the pre-AVEN 'asexual' communities and websites tended to be about people who were not having sex and felt the need to find others to talk to about that. I'd say it was mostly people who didn't experience sexual desire (plus a vocal anti-sexual faction). In my recollection, I was really quite unusual for talking about having been in relationships and enjoying aspects of sex (probably another reason why I created my own asexual discussion community where I couldn't be told that wasn't asexual!), but I immediately got a positive reaction from others in doing so (some of this is visible in the LiveJournal archives, but I got masses of private messages and emails too, including from sexual partners of asexuals). I think one of the reasons AVEN succeeded was that there were a lot of asexuals out there who had not felt comfortable with the definitions used in the existing communities but had lurked trying to find corners in which they fit. Haven for the Human Amoeba was always a pretty low volume list in comparison.

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Postby Siggy » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:14 pm

Dargon wrote:What made me realize I may find sex enjoyable was actually pornography. I spent many years trying to figure out why some were exciting and others not, and eventually I realized the factor was the excitement in the actresses. I was excited by those that genuinely seemed to be enjoying the experience, and bored by those who seemed to be faking or just in general not having a good time.

As such, I anticipate that in an actual sexual experience, what I would find most enjoyable would be whatever aspects my partner enjoyed.

It's interesting that you mentioned this, since I feel sort of the opposite. Rather than being motivated by a desire to please one's partner, I'm more motivated by my own sex drive. Pleasuring my partner actually seems like the worst part to me. I feel a little embarrassed to say this, because it feels selfish in some way. :/

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Postby Dargon » Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:29 am

Siggy wrote:
Dargon wrote:What made me realize I may find sex enjoyable was actually pornography. I spent many years trying to figure out why some were exciting and others not, and eventually I realized the factor was the excitement in the actresses. I was excited by those that genuinely seemed to be enjoying the experience, and bored by those who seemed to be faking or just in general not having a good time.

As such, I anticipate that in an actual sexual experience, what I would find most enjoyable would be whatever aspects my partner enjoyed.

It's interesting that you mentioned this, since I feel sort of the opposite. Rather than being motivated by a desire to please one's partner, I'm more motivated by my own sex drive. Pleasuring my partner actually seems like the worst part to me. I feel a little embarrassed to say this, because it feels selfish in some way. :/


From speaking with others, this seems like a very dichotomous thing in people. It seems they either love receiving and give because it would be selfish not to, or they love giving and receive because it makes their partner happy to reciprocate. I've spoken with very few people with a middle ground opinion on that issue.

Now there are a few things wherein I would be on the receiving end that I think I would enjoy immensely, however those things are in the minority, and I think they would be far less pleasurable if my partner were partaking merely to make me happy and was not getting much joy from it.

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Postby Mage » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:47 pm

These responses are all very interesting, and I'm glad that people are willing to respond to some of the questions without resorting to an anonymous survey. I know privacy can be a serious concern and I don't want anyone to feel awkward or pressured.

I find that I can relate to some of the responses. I have also felt, for example, that I might be stone. Stone femme (a receiver) rather than butch (giver), and don't get me started on why I dislike butch/femme as descriptors; however, I also feel like it's selfish of me. Unfortunately, there are only two reasons I can think of to have sex, the first being that someone else is helping me get release, the second that I might be doing something that would make my partner feel closer to me. If only doing the first cancelled out the second I suppose I'd have to reciprocate.

I think I'll answer my own questions, even though I'm not sure if I count as an asexual who loves sex. I aspire to be one, anyway.

1) What aspects of sex do you find enjoyable?
So far I only find receiving orgasms to be pleasurable, otherwise it's all been boring.
2) What sort of sexual acts do you engage in?
Without getting too graphic, so far I've been vanilla. I have tried S&M but it didn't include sex. I kind of enjoy S&M just for the sensations so maybe sex would be more interesting if that were incorporated? I dunno. I do have some very serious boundaries, though.
3) How do you know when you'd like to have sex with someone?
I used to think it was when I fantasized, but actually I forced myself to fantasize about people so that doesn't make sense. I guess...maybe if I become aroused from touching them or something?
4) Are there certain qualifications people must fit for you to have sex with them, and what are they?
So far, close friendship and/or dating. I'm polyamorous, basically I think I have to trust someone a lot and at least find them aesthetically and emotionally appealing if I'm going to become close to them in the first place.
5) How frequently do you have sex, or how frequently would you like to have sex?
I've only had sex a few times, and I'm not sure how often I'd like to have it. I suppose if it turns out that I can enjoy it I'll want to have it at least once a year. lol

I'll also answer
6) How does sex affect your relationships?
I'd prefer that my relationships be nonsexual, mostly because I don't think about having sex with people especially when I'm around them. However, I have found it is incredibly difficult to sustain another person's romantic interest in me if I'm not at least kissing them after a couple dates, and I kiss almost as rarely as I have sex. It seems like everyone I try to date expects me to initiate physical acts of intimacy, but why the hell that is I have no clue. I'm NOT an initiator. So anyway, I guess sex affects my relationships because not performing stunts them. It's kind of sad that people only want to be with me romantically if they can do things to my body, though I try to not think too deeply on the meaning of that.
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Postby Michael Smoker » Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:31 am

[quote="Mage"
1) What aspects of sex do you find enjoyable?
2) What sort of sexual acts do you engage in?
3) How do you know when you'd like to have sex with someone?
4) Are there certain qualifications people must fit for you to have sex with them, and what are they?
5) How frequently do you have sex, or how frequently would you like to have sex?[/quote]

1) Sex with a partner is a totally dissonant experience for me. It feels like I'm not even in the room. Masturbation is physically pleasurable but there is no emotional component at all.

2) Well, I've tried sex with women, men, couples and BDSM practitioners. We attempted oral, vaginal, and anal penetration in various positions, a range of nonsexual intimacy, and some bondage and role-playing. All of that was blah and uninvolving (except that I actively _hate_ having things in my ass). For the past 16 years it has been only occasional, episodic masturbation. I don't miss having sexual partners in the least.

3) I don't think I've ever _really_ wanted to have sex with someone. In the distant past I felt compelled to make myself believe that I wanted sex because I was "supposed to" want sex. So the answer is that I don't know because it's never happened. The trigger for masturbation can best be described as a warm feeling in the groin accompanied by mild drowsiness. It's a purely physical sensation with no emotional component, and tends to have a sudden and unforeshadowed onset.

4) My personal requirements are solid levels of trust and security. I need to have been friends with someone for about two years before the subject of us having sex together comes up. Unlike some other posters, I find that broaching the subject of sex with an established friend usually does not damage the friendship because the interpersonal comfort level is solid enough before the subject does get brought up.

5) During my "I have to be like everyone else" phase I tried sex about eight times (although I might be miscounting, so it could be slightly fewer or more). Masturbation is highly episodic. I can go six weeks without doing it at all and then do it four times in one day. There might be a pattern vaguely related to male menstrual cycle, if such a thing exists, but if so it's not a monthly cycle and not strictly regular.

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Postby amyb » Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:47 pm

1) What aspects of sex do you find enjoyable?
The physical stimulation part. I HATE kissing, cuddling, making out, holding hands, etc.

2) What sort of sexual acts do you engage in?
None, anymore. In the past, I have had heterosexual sex (vaginal, oral, anal).

3) How do you know when you'd like to have sex with someone?
I don't. In the past, I think I confused aesthetic attraction (just liking to look at someone) with sexual attraction, and friendship-feelings for sexual feelings, so I'd end up "dating" guys I should have just been friends with. I wasn't sexually attracted, because I wouldn't get "turned on" by them and I hated any attempts at foreplay or romantic gestures. I could enjoy sex if I closed my eyes and just focused on the physical sensation, but I hated being part of a "couple" and everything that comes along with that, and I didn't like all the stuff that comes along with sex (being expected to behave and dress in certain ways, expected to do certain sex acts, fear of getting pregnant...). Basically, I was in sexual relationships in the past because I didn't know that asexuality was an option, and I have a libido, so I assumed I was just like "normal" folks: that I should seek out sexual relationships with guys I liked.

4) Are there certain qualifications people must fit for you to have sex with them, and what are they?
I don't have sex anymore, because there is really no one I'd want to have sex with. It's not worth it for me. In the past I had a high sex drive, and I was weirded out by masturbation for a long time so I only did sexual things with other people.

5) How frequently do you have sex, or how frequently would you like to have sex?
I haven't had sex in about 11 years, and I intend to keep it that way. While I could enjoy sex, I am not romantic and I am not sexually attracted to anyone, so it's just not worthwhile for me. Under the right circumstances I would not be opposed to having sex again, but the person would have to understand that I'm ace and aromantic. In any case, I'm not sex-repulsed (though I prefer to give rather than receive in most cases, esp. oral).

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Postby Belle » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:19 am

Hi,

I'm just going to answer this my way, because if I answer the questions you'll miss some important bits of my experience.

I've never been interested in sex, so much so that as people know I was just short of 40 before I even started thinking about thinking about sex (I meant the double thinking!)...

I've never had a physical relationship, not interested...

I've heard porn works for some people, not me, there goes a multimillion dollar industry...

So what do I do?

I do what I do best, basically for me it's about connecting with people the way I connect with people... Not in a sexual / physical way...

I love interviewing people, and I'm really pleased I can be totally asex-promiscuous about it, I can interview anyone I like, and the whole world can know about it! What's not to like about that?

Well that's my two cents worth, which is funny, 'cause us Australian's don't have two cents pieces, and we don't miss them... :)

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Postby seriouslywho » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:53 am

Hi, I'm new here, directed by a friend on twitter. This is the first topic I zoomed in on and I'm so glad to see it!

I'll quickly explain that I'm biological female, and very romantic asexual. I also id as non-gender. (I don't feel especially female - or male for that matter) I've always had a clear preference for a same sex relationship, but thought I'd meet someone by chance in real life and never did. Then again, I'm not exactly sociable/good at small talk anyway.

Now, even online, for some weeks, I still don't even know of even one androgynous female asexual who has any interest in same sex partners ... let alone displayed any interest in me. So this is all very hypothetical!


1) What aspects of sex do you find enjoyable? (or in my case imagine I would)

Well I'm mainly interested in holding someone tight and stroking their hair, staring into their eyes and nuzzling them really... and say 20 minutes later I might even kiss them! And I'm not keen on anything too invasive kiss wise. Perhaps I'm just slow-sexual!

Then if I sensed that my partner were interested, I'd be equally happy to take things further. Though must add any sexual touching would be in a very loving, romantic manner. Also I'm motivated by togetherness and mutual feelings. Giving my partner pleasure would be just as pleasurable for me.

I'm looking for an emotional or intimacy climax more than anything, so I'd sometimes enjoy my emotions and the intimacy so much that I might lose focus on the physical.( I'd have no pressing need to see a naked body for instance or have lights on and all that kind of thing)


2) What sort of sexual acts do you engage in? (in my case would like to engage in)

Well, I'll simply say that my tastes would be considered pretty boring I imagine. And lacking in acrobatics. The important thing is the romantic/loving feel to everything and affection and eye contact. Even using the term 'having sex' seems a bit strange really, because in my mind, I'm just 'loving someone'.


3) How do you know when you'd like to have sex with someone?

Well, I'd already have to be in love with them, but I think there would be a deep feeling of shared shared interests/similarity at some point. Plus some previous thought to having physical intimacy with them would be an indication I would think.


4) Are there certain qualifications people must fit for you to have sex with them, and what are they?

I would be in love, and in a commited, exclusive relationship. Similar interests/personalities/levels of sociability would be best. Plus, as above, my answers are based on finding an androgynous, non-gender, asexual biological female partner.

5) How frequently do you have sex, or how frequently would you like to have sex?

I'm not too concerned how often actual sex happens. Once in a while? But at the same time I'm not interested in a sexless relationship either. It would depend on what my partner desired, and at times of heightened emotions and feelings of intimacy.

Reading this, I'm thinking that possibly my ideal relationship would only be found in a LGBTQ Mills and Boon novel ...

So to sum up, I think I'd need to feel emotional contact throughout. I'd likely not be able to stay focused on/appreciate the purely physical.I wonder if others feel this.

Perhaps I should start a new topic? Will have to check previous ones.