So how do we get visability right?

A place for discussing real-life community building and media engagements.
PiF
Apositive Star
Posts: 2269
Joined: 14 Nov 2011, 22:47

So how do we get visability right?

Postby PiF » 19 Jan 2015, 00:41

Aven, you can't avoid it when it comes to talking about asexuality..remains the largest site for information but as we know from most walks of life bigger rarely means better even more so when it becomes so fragmented that it does more harm than good.

At it's outset if you read opelchans thread about it's history, was about asexuals firstly grabbing straws by associating with libidoists..nothing wrong with that persay as the amount identifying as asexal was hands and feet counting. As it became clearer that asexuality was different aven was formed as such and at it's outset was as it should have remained...a forum for asexuals by asexuals sharing information to asexuals and those close to them. It also acted as a go to info resource for those looking into asexuality. a forum with an open door but...remembering there are plenty other forums for diversities but this one was supposed to be primarily for asexuals

As tends to happen it has attracted more and the vast majority now using aven are not asexuals but people seeing some resemblances in some parts of their life that might align with asexuality..the down side of this is two fold...one they then go one to project their "asexuality" as what asexuality is which for most is incorrect and secondly as with most small groups that hold to a true definition...those "honest I'm asexual" realising they do not meet the definition...want to tear it apart just so they can claim to fit into a group even though they are tearing it apart to wrongly identify...their personal need as such has become more important than the message and accuracy of asexuality.

So Avens original intent I feel was to be accurate on what an asexual is...then they tried to raise the profile by associations in this case the lgbt..the downside to this was the lgbt are an incredibly sexually attracted body where as asexuality isn't...the hope I suspect was that we could maintain the balance between visibility and accuracy and at the outset they probably did but the last several years we have lost control of our destiny, direction and identity

So how do we get it back, return to accurate definitions and information on what asexuality is? For me it could be achieved by stop trying to be the majority whilst we are a minority and appreciate, enjoy and be proud of what we are and not feel the need to make it any man and his dog could be asexual but realise we can stand on our own two feet.

We are a small group..but what is wrong with that? why do some need to sell out what a minority is in the hope they become part of the majority?

Be clear on what an asexual is...an asexual is a person that lacks sexual attraction..but that is it..in every other way we are the same as everyone else...the only difference real asexuals have is such a small part of who we are..we should stop trying to make it something it has never been just so we feel more important

Taking away that small part we identify with to then attempt to make it about that is all you are..is the sign there are issues within you that makes you feel you have to be more important than everyone else..and that would apply to the individual wether you were straight, gay bi sexual asexual...

Personally I feel we have surrounded asexuality and the definition with so much fluff and inaccuracy that we need to go back to the basics of honesty if we are truly to succeed in awareness and visibility. That would mean having some honest and for some painfull discussions..again this sometimes has to happen with all organisations when they lose their way to remind themselves of what and who they are.

Could aven do this? with the direction of the owner and his team having more of a left wing pro gay agenda over the accuracy of asexuality...I doubt in it's current "every man and his dog could be asexual" mindset..I sadly do not think they forum has grown up enough to have that honest discussion. I would say in terms that may make some sense..aven is currently in the teen phase and not yet ready and is unwilling to be honest with itself. It is largely a rudderless ship doing more harm than good.

So we have options, we can stand by and let aven ruin what asexuality is .....or hope by chipping away they can see the balance has been lost and we can all help to bring it back on track or lastly....work with aven to offer a part of asexuality aven has sadly lost and recognise that as long as aven is trying to be all things to all people..... those it was originally intended for have been isolated from it

Me personally I would want avens owner to stop walking away from aven and ignoring the elephant in the room, he has largely been the emperors new clothes, he needs to encourage his team and forum to promote the positive message of what an asexual actually is and take it forward to others as accurately as it can be to help our message

Until we have that discussion then promoting asexuality in it's hodge podge way should really be stopped..we can't ask others to agree with who we are if we ourselves do not agree what an asexual is.

User avatar
Narnia
Established Member
Posts: 70
Joined: 06 Dec 2013, 04:42

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby Narnia » 19 Jan 2015, 01:37

AVEN is what it is, and I don't hink a couple of non-members can have much influence (I know your non membership is not of your choosing). I read in one thread that someone said the site had a left wing lgbt bias and an ex officer (they used to be red but aren't any more) responded 'Yes and yay'. So if the people running the site are OK with that; and they must be because no-one has contradicted it, then what hope is there that anyone else might be able to pull it back?
I know it's hard to keep politics out of things but could there be more of an effort to make it apolitical (OK I know they have a forum for it, that's where it should stay) as for the lgbt association, it was perhaps useful in the early days to tag onto their organisational skills but do they perhaps resent us? I don't know but the average person is not going to distinguish between the two and possibly think asexuality is a variation. I know asexuals can be gay (or anything else).
Too much thinking now...head hurts

PiF
Apositive Star
Posts: 2269
Joined: 14 Nov 2011, 22:47

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby PiF » 19 Jan 2015, 01:57

I read that same thread.. and the person who made that comment is ex admin Ithica..known for being strong minded and a bit of a bully behind the scenes as well as a internet stalker....but interestingly her confirmation that aven is becoming a leftist feminist gay forum was supported by our very own Michael (flergalwit) when he in aven posted this http://www.asexuality.org/en/topic/1129 ... -magazine/ and when you closer at ladybeard you see stuff like this... http://www.tyci.org.uk/wordpress/interv ... -magazine/ given avens memberships is over 75% young women perhaps it shows aven has already moved away from asexuality into that very same feminist gay forum status...which was never it's purpose as there are plenty of those forums around already.

interestingly however in that thread..... "should aven have more free speech" it has in it as some of avens most prolific posters...of those asking others to respect differences, three of them hit the report button like a teenage boy pulling his pud when people disagree with them and they are also the same people who want to scrap the definition of what an asexual is :lol: :lol: :lol:

Your right...until it's owner wants to change and take some responsibility instead of sticking his head in the sand ...and then brings aven back on track in regards to correct projection..a few members are unlikely to change that direction...and some of the longer standing admins knowing this so ignore views they do not agree with rather than listen and say...have we gone too far in the wrong direction, lets try to have some more accuracy than vagueity..clearly operating a bias agenda no matter what the cost to the asexuality movement.

Be an asexual longer than 6 months and you will be aware of the history where outside of the college campus lgbt groups of all hugs, cuddles and pink fluffy bunnies...some in the lgbt outside of those kiddie college groups.....are very anti asexual believing we are riding their coat tails just for visibility and have never gone through the pain, discrimination and abuse they have to be recognised. So even within the diverse community some are saying hey you and your asexual movement haven't got a clue..and they would be right to hold both accounts.

I think some forget there are many other forums for gay, feminist, libidoist etc etc but only a few for asexuals

User avatar
Narnia
Established Member
Posts: 70
Joined: 06 Dec 2013, 04:42

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby Narnia » 19 Jan 2015, 04:50

In that second reference it says:

Feminism has become so subjective now – it’s not about equalising the binaries of man and woman (cheers, Emmeline Pankhurst) but about breaking down those binaries all together.


Now I read that as a slur against Emmalline Pankhurst which can't be right. She was part of a movement that tried to improve the lot of women who at the time were llittle more than chattles. Following generations built on that and while it may not be ideal from the writer's pov, it's considerably better than it would have been.

PiF
Apositive Star
Posts: 2269
Joined: 14 Nov 2011, 22:47

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby PiF » 19 Jan 2015, 05:03

I think it's more of the modern oppression Olympics to be honest..people no longer want to be equal, they want to be more equal than others by beating others down

By doing this all they are trying to do in some feminists case, is to replace what they see as the male domination with women being the dominant force telling men what to do..the people trying this quite honestly are stupid..if they had any experience of life they would know that whilst men huff and puff and push their chest out looking like an alpha male...most males know ..the woman is very much the strength in any family and in any relationship

The suffrajets realised humans need to be equal irellevant of the sex, some feminists struggle with this..and those that do this tend to think me me me instead of us us us

User avatar
Narnia
Established Member
Posts: 70
Joined: 06 Dec 2013, 04:42

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby Narnia » 19 Jan 2015, 05:17

"All animals are equal but some are more equal than others" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Seriously, The Management think this is a good philosophy to adopt? I know it's said that no publicity is bad publicity but by aligning themselves with extreme views people will think it's an exreme organisation which I dont think is the aim...or is it?

PiF
Apositive Star
Posts: 2269
Joined: 14 Nov 2011, 22:47

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby PiF » 19 Jan 2015, 05:52

I think it highlights given we are such a small group, just how much we need to focus on asexuals, asexuality and asexual support and leave the gender, lgbt, feminists issues to the many many other forums that are specific to those areas of which there are plenty

User avatar
Narnia
Established Member
Posts: 70
Joined: 06 Dec 2013, 04:42

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby Narnia » 19 Jan 2015, 10:00

It seems there's a move afoot to change the definition http://www.asexuality.org/en/topic/1129 ... sexuality/ . It's a member's thread so it isn't official. It's a very good job I can't post in it :)

PiF
Apositive Star
Posts: 2269
Joined: 14 Nov 2011, 22:47

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby PiF » 19 Jan 2015, 10:19

I've seen those...mystic insanus who I thought was nogitsunes secondary account.... has been trying to change the definition since they joined the forum that has the very same definition he joined

Of interest however in that thread, look at the other posters and just how few posts they have and yet they also want to change the definition...I suspect and I'll probably be right, they will be in the 17-24 age group...definitely not meeting the definition as they are sexual but desperately want to belong to something so seek to destroy the definition for selfish purpose..there are a few doing this hoping if the same thread keeps popping up then it will be changed

The trouble for them is that after many years of trying to convince medical, mental and educational that we exist under the current definition...they are unlikely to get it changed and then convince those too without doing asexuality a lot of damage

If you also notice they are trying to link asexuality with the "innate desire for sex with other people" which of course is rubbish....asexuality is not about how other people effect us...but just that we as individuals do not experience sexual attraction...the end...it has nothing to do with anyone else

it's this level of confusion and allowed confusion that is not being corrected that causes aven to be more of a hinderance than a positive

User avatar
Tanwen
Mega Member
Posts: 882
Joined: 27 Aug 2010, 07:00

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby Tanwen » 20 Jan 2015, 00:27

Narnia wrote:I read in one thread that someone said the site had a left wing lgbt bias and an ex officer (they used to be red but aren't any more) responded 'Yes and yay'. So if the people running the site are OK with that; and they must be because no-one has contradicted it, then what hope is there that anyone else might be able to pull it back?


Admods only get involved when there's a contravention of the ToS. Ithaca was writing as an individual NOT as a (past) admin. Just because the team didn't jump in and say 'That's wrong' doesn't mean any of them agree with it. Unless admods write in red (admin) or green (mod) then they, too, are writing as members. :)
You lose nothing when fighting for a cause ... In my mind the losers are those who don't have a cause they care about. - Muhammad Ali

PiF
Apositive Star
Posts: 2269
Joined: 14 Nov 2011, 22:47

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby PiF » 21 Jan 2015, 23:25

Just as a did you know fact...guess who pushed that they write in colour when talking in an official capacity? :) ..they owe me more than they care to admit :lol:

They key to this is as I see

After being part of the libidoists and finally getting our own forum...I would love to know who and what they were thinking when it went like this

Yyayyyyy we finally have a place just for asexuals, for those in relationships with asexuals and for those wishing to learn about asexuality

I know..lets make it a lefitist tree hugging sock with sandal wearing site as there is only a few hundred thousand of those

and whilst we are at it...lets also add a joosh of spice and make it a feminist site too because there are not enough of those, only a few hundred thousand..and of course a gay bias site also as a few million are not enough

we..one of the few ..count on your hand..asexual sites should be all those too..the asexuals won't mind because what they never had before...they will never miss now

Who decided that given we have so few genuine asexual sites that they should almost overnight wipe out it's main purpose being a specialist site and turn it into a jack of all trades? Who decided we have so many asexual sites we can afford to do that?

User avatar
Tanwen
Mega Member
Posts: 882
Joined: 27 Aug 2010, 07:00

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby Tanwen » 22 Jan 2015, 02:31

It was a very different place when I first joined. There were around 4,000 of us with very few regular posters, so we go to know each other pretty well (or so I thought). Nancy and Kæth were already there, so could probably fill you in on what happened before my time. I don't think it wasa conscious decision, it just sort of happened...proably while we were discucssing other things :)
You lose nothing when fighting for a cause ... In my mind the losers are those who don't have a cause they care about. - Muhammad Ali

PiF
Apositive Star
Posts: 2269
Joined: 14 Nov 2011, 22:47

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby PiF » 22 Jan 2015, 21:41

What makes it worse for me is that within that very same backroom, particulary amongst the admins..there are enough of them to remember when aven was an actual asexual site and of those some must be thinking...it got far too big far too quickly and we have left asexuals and asexualty not only behind...but in the minority...how do we bring it back?

Our visibility is only correct when people look and can say..there..that is what an asexual is...until we can bring it back all we can say is that for most looking at asexuality.. the kindest thing they can say is...any man and his dog can be an asexual and the worse...it's just kids playing at being adults with more labels than a costco pricing gun.

At the heart of this is the same old problems..the mouthpieces are so desperate to belong in the big game they will sleep with anyone for visibility no matter what the damage they do to our honesty and two...we have people who lack the integrity to say simply...no that is not what an asexual is

There is absolutely nothing wrong with remaining a group of our size if it means we stand on our own identity, correct in it's promotion and honesty and push what we are. We need to regroup...I'm sure Apositive would work well with Aven in doing this...coming back together...standing together but with an accurate and honest message about Asexuality we can make it better and take it forward with clarity instead of popularity through innaccuracy...there will be of course some honesty needed in our direction and purpose and some may not like it but in the long run it will promote what we are for the better

At the moment particulary Aven...they are a bit like Apple ....once the innovation leaders..they then got too big to quickly and the people behind it started to believe their own publicity to a point they forgot they existed because of the people...and not, the people need to do as they are told...they got off message...now apple has very much lost it's way and is desperately trying to copy everyone else's things in the hope they do not look as foolish as they actually are..so they are no longer the innovation leaders ...but are run by retrospective ancient leaders who have less ability to return to who and what we are ... because to do so would mean admitting they have gotten it very wrong and for some time and set about punishing people who pointed it out rather than hold their hands up and saying...sorry guys, we got it wrong, can you help us get it back?

You see there is nothing wrong with saying we are the same as sexuals except this one very special to us difference..just the one..then promoting that accurately. People will then see asexuality as a place of good people, with a consistent and easily identifiable identity and constitution that is beyond reproach bolstering our message on our own terms...we haven't got that and haven't had it for some time...we need to bring that back..we deserve to have that back..we are asexuals..we lack sexual attraction..nothing more and nothing less...but we have a great deal to offer if we can be honest with ourselves first.

User avatar
Tanwen
Mega Member
Posts: 882
Joined: 27 Aug 2010, 07:00

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby Tanwen » 22 Jan 2015, 22:44

This is the PiF I was fighting hard for (but lost the battle) . :)
You lose nothing when fighting for a cause ... In my mind the losers are those who don't have a cause they care about. - Muhammad Ali

PiF
Apositive Star
Posts: 2269
Joined: 14 Nov 2011, 22:47

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby PiF » 31 Jan 2015, 08:59

If Aven wasn't so much run like an inept dictatorship..they could work with and learn from Apositive

I think they have tried to become all things to all people and rather lost their way..the thing is they didn't need to do that as when a specific group becomes large enough but are not asexual.....they have tended to want their own forum for their specific need..transyada is one that comes to mind..and yes you lot I do read your forum often, being more open minded than you think

I think it would help asexuality and also avens backroom if there was more a we rather than just a me....I'm happy to take part ...even despite some rather rascal behaviour from avens backroom..or I am happy to step away if it's a sticking point...but I do feel with so few asexual forums around then to help correct visibility they need to work together

User avatar
Tanwen
Mega Member
Posts: 882
Joined: 27 Aug 2010, 07:00

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby Tanwen » 31 Jan 2015, 09:44

It has tried hard to become all things etc, in trying to encompass and include everyone it has lost sight of its original aim. I honestly believe it was done with the best of intentions; I didn't always agree with it but others disagreed with things I thought were brilliant ideas :mrgreen: .
You lose nothing when fighting for a cause ... In my mind the losers are those who don't have a cause they care about. - Muhammad Ali

flergalwit
Mega Member
Posts: 547
Joined: 03 Sep 2010, 09:02

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby flergalwit » 31 Jan 2015, 10:14

PiF wrote:I know..lets make it a lefitist tree hugging sock with sandal wearing site as there is only a few hundred thousand of those

and whilst we are at it...lets also add a joosh of spice and make it a feminist site too because there are not enough of those, only a few hundred thousand..and of course a gay bias site also as a few million are not enough

AVEN has always had a left wing bias. I know because I am a right wing person by AVEN standards. (I am also a right wing person by campus standards. I think I'm about centre ground within the UK population. I'd be considered moderately left in America on average, and significantly left in places like Texas.)

I think that's just how it is - people who talk openly about sexualities and sexual orientations tend to be more left wing than average. Not all - but most in my experience. I think when DJ started AVEN he called himself "RedBloodyCommie" or something like that. (I don't think he's used this term recently to my knowledge.) So really, it isn't a new thing, and I think it's even somewhat inevitable.

And yes, feminism is popular on AVEN. I am not anti-feminist, though I have significant reservations about much of the mainstream feminist movement today, which maybe I'll write more about at some point. But there's opposition too. In fact posts from AVEN regularly appear on tumblr hate sites trying to show what an awful anti-feminist, slut shaming, rape cultist cispit AVEN is.

Which brings me onto my main point really. You're picking on the wrong target. AVEN is actually relatively sane when compared to the far left so called "social justice" social media out there... *cough* tumblr. You can wish it were different, but at the moment the asexual movement is predominantly AVEN + social media (mainly tumblr but also twitter). It's the conservative in me that wants to support AVEN, as being a sane and reasonably mainstream (admittedly left leaning) representation of asexuality, which I truly believe it is.

PiF
Apositive Star
Posts: 2269
Joined: 14 Nov 2011, 22:47

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby PiF » 31 Jan 2015, 10:53

Michael what other forums, social media does has never been important to me...what aven does has always been.

I also have my views on modern feminism and can see why when the user base of aven is mostly teen young women why they feel the need to comment on it but....my point was aven is supposed to be for asexuals...not for feminists..there are hundreds of thousands of feminist sites and aven was never supposed to be one so no targets ...just asking one of the few asexual sites to remember why it was created and try to stick to that

I would love aven to be a successful ASEXUAL site that has other components to it but it has become the other way a round where asexuality is definitely in the minority within it. Is it too much to ask for the balance to be re-addressed?

As a long term 100% asexual..aven offers very little to me now...I doubt that was the case in the beginning

in fact I offer you this as to avens real intent then....."Frustrated with the lack of resources available regarding asexuality, Jay launched AVEN's website in 2002"

Aven is as far removed from the messiahs own words and reasoning for it's existence than it has ever been. it is also possibly the reason why he has moved on from aven and asexuality into this https://twitter.com/davidgljay

I am not an enemy of aven...I think I have been portrayed that way by those who know I am on the money for where it is going wrong and letting real asexuals and asexuality down...If I was an enemy of aven, why would I invest so much time in the hope we can bring it back to a genuine resource for asexuals?

flergalwit
Mega Member
Posts: 547
Joined: 03 Sep 2010, 09:02

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby flergalwit » 01 Feb 2015, 01:05

PiF wrote:Michael what other forums, social media does has never been important to me...what aven does has always been.

Whereas I cannot ignore what happens on social media - much as I want to - because this is where the online asexual community predominantly is these days, apart from AVEN.

PiF wrote:I also have my views on modern feminism and can see why when the user base of aven is mostly teen young women why they feel the need to comment on it but....my point was aven is supposed to be for asexuals...not for feminists..there are hundreds of thousands of feminist sites and aven was never supposed to be one so no targets ...just asking one of the few asexual sites to remember why it was created and try to stick to that

Well AVEN is not *for* feminists per se, but feminists are supposed to be welcome on AVEN, as are people such as myself who have strong reservations about mainstream feminism. You won't get banned for having views at odds with the feminist mainstream. Of course it's possible to express these views in a way that gets you warned or banned, but that's true about pro-feminist views too.

PiF wrote:I would love aven to be a successful ASEXUAL site that has other components to it but it has become the other way a round where asexuality is definitely in the minority within it. Is it too much to ask for the balance to be re-addressed?

So which of these would have to happen for aven to become a successful ASEXUAL site again?
1) Most of the members are lifelong 100% asexual?
2) The definition is agreed by everyone (or 99% of people?)
3) Grays call themselves sexuals instead of grays?
4) No-one misidentifies themselves as being asexual when they're not, e.g. when they're just in a phase?
5) All of the above? Or anything else?

Re 1, I believe this is already the case - you obviously disagree. 2-4 clearly don't hold on AVEN, but they don't bother me nearly as much as they clearly do you. But taking as read for the moment that 1-4 don't hold and they are all a significant problem - how exactly could the Admod team or the PT reverse this trend? We can't
a) get rid of people who are not 100% lifelong asexuals,
b) make people agree on the definition or warn or ban anyone who disagrees,
c) warn people for calling themselves "gray" or
d) warn people for identifying as asexual when it turns out to be just a phase.

If we did those things, the moderation on AVEN would be a lot more draconian than it currently is, which is presumably not what you want. So then what is supposed to happen to make AVEN the way you want it to be?

PiF
Apositive Star
Posts: 2269
Joined: 14 Nov 2011, 22:47

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby PiF » 01 Feb 2015, 02:02

I would look back at what made asexuals want to go to aven..the fact it was asexual specific in a internet world of many other forums for many other things

I certainly would remove many of the additional forums/sub forums that have been created that are perfectly well catered for outside of aven..it was never avens role or purpose to cater for others in they way it is now doing so

I personally would close the grey forum and put it into the already appropriate existing forum...for sexual partners, friends and allies

I would remove intersectionality forum as this should be dealt with in either off a, asexual q & a or musirants..there was no need for this at all

Gender..a close thing but more of a lgbt thing than an asexual thing and could have easily been dealt with through either asexual q & a or off a

Romantic and aromantic happened through the back door as you well full know but aromantics again is not asexual specific and has never been and as such like romanticism could have been dealt with through asexual q& a, sexual allies or off a

Simplify, promote correct definition, make asexuals feel wanted as one of the few asexual sites, not flood it with every issue under the sun and turn it into a forum and then you will be what aven was intended to be...an accurate and welcoming place for asexuals that welcomes others..and not what it has become..a place for everyone else and a few asexuals

I know it's unlikely as most of the backroom team are not even long term asexuals or even asexual at all so they would be unlikely to bring it back on track...but I do hope one day they see the light and realise the damage they are doing to one of the few asexual sites there are.

flergalwit
Mega Member
Posts: 547
Joined: 03 Sep 2010, 09:02

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby flergalwit » 01 Feb 2015, 02:29

So wait, no PPS?

It seems to me that if we shut down these fora, people would simply flood their non-asexual related questions and topics into the forums that remain, like Asexual Q&A, even if it had nothing to do with asexuality. That would just make it worse I think. If you shut down Gender, people would post their Gender questions in Asexual Q&A. Same for Aro and Intersectionality. Etc etc.

Aro didn't happen through the back door. My recollection is that there was a vote on the open forum; most wanted an aromantic forum but the team vetoed it. (I voted in favour but was outvoted.) Then they added A/Ro identities as a compromise.

Wait, weren't you in favour of making a "Rainbow" forum for LGBT related discussions? It seems to me you've changed your mind from wanting more supposedly-unrelated forums to wanting fewer, and while you're entitled to change your mind, you can't really expect AVEN to go along with it.

User avatar
Tanwen
Mega Member
Posts: 882
Joined: 27 Aug 2010, 07:00

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby Tanwen » 01 Feb 2015, 04:19

I think (but could be wrong) the Aro request came too soon after the 'Grey forum' was created. Most of the admods thought it would be better for the new forum to at least get past the 6 month review stage before thinking about another one. By the time the 'waiting' period was over, the Aro had faded into obscurity.
You lose nothing when fighting for a cause ... In my mind the losers are those who don't have a cause they care about. - Muhammad Ali

PiF
Apositive Star
Posts: 2269
Joined: 14 Nov 2011, 22:47

Re: So how do we get visability right?

Postby PiF » 01 Feb 2015, 04:43

Time and time again the aromantics asked for their own forum and it was continually turned down under the guise there was not enough members and posts to warrant it

In fact I do remember they opened up a aromatic thread in one of the forums to see if the aromantics could keep it busy enough to prove there was a need..after the first two weeks it largely fell flat on its face..but still it was opened up under the guise of romantic and aromantic..again neither are asexual specific and could have easily been catered for in other parts of the forum.


Return to “Community & Public Visibility”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests