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Re: The Creation of a Flag

Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:17 pm
by KAGU143
That is funny, Jicragg. I hadn't though of it like that, but yeah ... it DOES look depressed.

I would have been perfectly happy with the AVEN logo on a solid purple background.

Re: The Creation of a Flag

Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:23 pm
by Dargon
That is quite humorous.

Re: The Creation of a Flag

Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:57 am
by Isaac
It could be the flag of depression, indeed.

Re: The Creation of a Flag

Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:46 pm
by Rainbow Amoeba
As an asexual recovering from several months of clinical depression (a depression which had nothing to do with asexuality, just to make that clear), the association of depression and asexuality isn't something I like to see. Even though black, white and grey are among my favorite colors (and the current colors of my own blog), that doesn't mean that I will approve of everything that uses them.

Flag design, like any other kind of graphic design, shouldn't only take symbolism into account, but should also pay attention to possible interpretations by people who do not know what the design is supposed to represent. I don't really know what the rainbow pride flag represents, but the colors are cheerful and thus it seems to me that it gives positive connotations to the LGBT community it represents. As I didn't follow the discussions on the asexual flag, I have no idea what the stripes and colors are supposed to represent, but the result looks sad and I worry that it will suggest to viewers that it is a symbol for something that people feel sad about.

But well, I don't see the point of an asexual flag and don't approve of the idea in the first place, and wouldn't have used the flag even if I had liked the design, so I guess my opinion doesn't matter :D

Re: The Creation of a Flag

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:24 pm
by disjointed
With so many asexuals not being gay..not attending gay pride marches..and lets be honest..your unlikely to see it anywhere else

I don't hold out seeing one in the flesh in my lifetime

the rainbow stripes style along with dark and dank colours would make me think either gay goths.....or kids with clip art

I've always associated the colour purple and the triangle with asexuality..agreed it's mostly aven sites across the world

but the current suggested flag..does nothing for me in the slightest..on any level

Re: The Creation of a Flag

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:02 pm
by Noskcaj.Llahsram
WAIT inspiration! No flag at all, instead we breed special coloured peacocks! Red & Purple? Yellow and Silver? Pink & florescent Orange?

Re: The Creation of a Flag

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:13 am
by disjointed
so was it a case of the emperors new clothes?

Re: The Creation of a Flag

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 5:31 am
by KAGU143
Noskcaj.Llahsram wrote:WAIT inspiration! No flag at all, instead we breed special coloured peacocks! Red & Purple? Yellow and Silver? Pink & florescent Orange?


Oh! Oh! Do you play Birdland, too? ROFLOL! (Sorry - gotta run and see if I've bred a bright pink and white macaw yet.)
'Back to your regular programming.

Back on topic for a moment, sorta ..
This thread inspired me to go read the "Queer Secrets" thread on AVEN. (In Vis-Ed)

It was well worth the time.

Re: The Creation of a Flag

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:45 pm
by Jicragg
Rainbow Amoeba wrote:As an asexual recovering from several months of clinical depression (a depression which had nothing to do with asexuality, just to make that clear), the association of depression and asexuality isn't something I like to see. Even though black, white and grey are among my favorite colors (and the current colors of my own blog), that doesn't mean that I will approve of everything that uses them.

I agree on all of that. Except the blog -- because I don't have one.

The irritating thing is that I have been to Pride marches and I plan to do so in the future but I absolutely detest that flag and if somebody brings it I will either hack it to death with a pair of scissors or refuse to march (and take my banner with me which is much better than any flag because it has the word 'asexuality' on it and that makes more sense than a flag).

Re: The Creation of a Flag

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:03 am
by Paul2
I was searching for symbols for asexuality, and found this topic. I learned that recently a black-gray-white-purple flag was adopted, but I agree with other members here that this flag looks rather depressive. As Rainbow Amoeba said, it is important such flags are "understood" also by people who don't know the specific symbolic meaning of the colors.

I don't like that in the black-gray-white-purple flag, and also in the AVEN-triangle, asexuality is represented by the color black - as if it's a dark, sad and depressive state of living. Black, gray and purple, and also white, are colors traditionally used at funeral ceremonies...
I guess the new asexuality flag is also meant as a kind of opposite to the rainbow colored flag of the gay movement, but that also seems to say: full sexuality is colorful - asexuality is black. This of course is nonsense, may be asexuality is found in even more varieties than homosexuality....

Personally I think the use of the rainbow flag shoudn't be narrowed to the gay movement, but should be the symbol of tolerance, diversity, inclusiveness and hope for people of all sexual preferences (even more as many gay men themselves nowadays tend to be less tolerant) - so why not also for asexual people?

Re: The Creation of a Flag

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:59 am
by Pugnacioun
Paul2 wrote:Personally I think the use of the rainbow flag shoudn't be narrowed to the gay movement, but should be the symbol of tolerance, diversity, inclusiveness and hope for people of all sexual preferences (even more as many gay men themselves nowadays tend to be less tolerant) - so why not also for asexual people?

The rainbow flag is used as a general symbol for all of LGBTQetc., but there are still flags for those constituents to which less attention is generally paid (bisexuals, transgender people, and specific subsets of the gay community all have their own), and I don't think it's unreasonable for that to be extended to asexuality, especially when there are a great many people from both sides who don't think that asexuality belongs under the rainbow umbrella.

I may be in an extreme minority, but I like the flag. But then again, my immediate thoughts upon viewing black/grey are far more positive than is perhaps normal.

Re: The Creation of a Flag

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:41 pm
by Siggy
If I may voice an opposing opinion...

I love the purple and grayscale of the asexual flag, and I don't particularly like the rainbow of the LGBT flag. So there. Now we have a "mix" of opinions, which is exactly what you would expect for any choice of colors imaginable.

I've also come to realize that the flag has become one of the most "neutral" symbols we have so far. The shaded triangle has the problem that it's associated specifically with AVEN, and people have complained that it looks like certain female parts. The ace... well that already has another meaning. The half-filled heart is kinda unknown, and seems to say something about asexuals' ability to love. The cake is excessively silly and also associated specifically with AVEN. The "53x + m^3 = null" is about as cool as leetspeak and also says something that is untrue for me and many other asexuals.

The flag is just a bunch of colors. The creators also took a lot of care to inform all corners of the asexual community about it. It's probably still biased towards AVEN, but at least they tried, and we can say that it belongs to everyone, not just AVEN.

Re: The Creation of a Flag

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:58 pm
by Paul2
Sure, the black-gray-white-purple flag is better than the other symbols, so it's indeed a step forward (allthough still second-best in my opinion).

But the flag isn't that well-known yet: on the Dutch AVEN-forum they didn't know about the flag until I noticed them today, and on the German AVEN-forum I also found no references to this new flag.

Interestingly, on that forum I found a link to a webpage of a german designer who created her own asexual symbol formed by a heart-shaped triangle with rainbow colors: Asexuell farbe bekennen

Re: The Creation of a Flag

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 3:28 pm
by Dargon
Siggy wrote:The creators also took a lot of care to inform all corners of the asexual community about it.


Only after the first round of voting was underway before any other communities were even contacted. Upon this being brought up, other communities were contacted, albeit not by the member running the event, but by other AVENites concerned that this supposedly "all encompassing" flag was being done by AVEN only. From what I gathered, some communities were not contacted until the very end, if not after the submission deadline. In fact, the first post of this very thread is a testament to just how much of an afterthought contacting the other communities was.

Re: The Creation of a Flag

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:41 pm
by disjointed
in truth it really was the emperors new clothes..at first I thought yer..cool..but now given on when and how it might or more likely will not be used..I see it as rather a tea in a storm cup

admiration for those who tried when the project team couldn't give a rats....... but intruth as an asexual...I'm more likely to use a condom than this flag

Re: The Creation of a Flag

Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:51 am
by Pugnacioun
Well, in some (small, probably ultimately inconsequential) ways it already is being used. If you spend any time on Tumblr, the LGBTQetc. blogs all picked up on it and people have used in several small capacities there, primarily as a backdrop for secrets posted on Queersecrets. There's also a thread on AVEN about potential merchandise bearing the flag.

Obviously it isn't going to be an overwhelmingly large part of the community, but in those cases where a flag could be used, it will be, in which I see no problem given that it was probably created expressly for the purpose of facilitating visibility efforts.

Re: The Creation of a Flag

Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:38 pm
by Siggy
For some reason, I bumped across this old AVEN thread from 2003, and it is really amusing.
seriously.........the biggest problem i have with the AVEN symbol is that the triangle is, well a triangle.....the symbol of gays and lesbians. and while that is cool and all...........that is not what asexuality is.
plus it's an upside down triangle.......which to me (who is way to obsessive about symbolism) seem to infer some kind of inverted gayness...lol.

David Jay wrote:I think of the triangle as the AVEN symbol (not "the asexual symbol.") Which is why I've sorta had it up there without much community discussion. I'm not particularely attached to it though, and we could definitely replace it

Um...I hate to keep bringing up problems, but wouldn't an "A" symbol be kinda 'scarlet letter-ish', to coin a phrase? I don't know how well known the Hawthorne book is, though I think it was made into a movie a few years back.

This thread clearly predates the Scarlet Letter of Atheism symbol.

If I had the patience to search through old AVEN threads I bet I could find all sorts of comedy gold like this.

Re: The Creation of a Flag

Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:46 pm
by Dargon
I recall discussions regarding the "scarlet letter" problem of the A. This is largely why the flaming A was used rather than a plain A.

Richard Dawkins started the "OUT Campaign" in 2007, which pretty much set the red A as an atheist symbol, well after many of these discussions took place.