On seeking causes of orientation

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On seeking causes of orientation

Postby Karl » 31 Jan 2009, 22:45

[This post was originally written by site member Omnes et Nihil on March 13, 2008]

The real question is why people are looking for a “cause” of sexual orientation, or specific sexual orientations, to begin with. Proof or no proof is completely beside the point. If we’re going to talk about scientific evidence, we should consider all the interpretations of the data, not just some that appear convienent. But I don’t for a moment think that it is helpful–or even makes sense–to talk about scientific evidence surrounding the “causes” of sexual orientation. In fact, I think that argument is inherently problematic.

Arguing that sexual orientation (of any kind) is genetic / learned / socialised / set in the womb / ordained by some higher power / otherwise caused… basically all boils down to accepting the premise: if people can be made heterosexual, they should be made heterosexual, and if people can’t be made heterosexual, then society should accept everyone as they are.

It’s a brilliant tactic to avoid challenging heteronormativity, because no matter what cause of sexual orientation people believe, and no matter what legal and social rights people believe people should have as a result, we’re still protecting heterosexuality’s pedestal.

Personally, I’d rather see that pedestal fall, and give people social and political rights regardless of whether their love for other people is caused by genes, their mother or the spaghetti monster.

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Re: On seeking causes of orientation

Postby Karl » 01 Feb 2009, 07:04

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Re: On seeking causes of orientation

Postby MFTtraineefemale » 08 May 2013, 09:49

I wonder if there is some type of evolutionary issue at stake here.
I've noticed there is a certain type of person that chooses not to be sexual and is not attracted to sex. Perhaps this is overpopulations way of telling our brains (seeing so many people around all the time,) that there are enough of us.
Just a thought.

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Re: On seeking causes of orientation

Postby PiF » 08 Jul 2013, 22:16

Would not however choosing be more celibate than asexual?

I can't see how we are protecting the hetro pedestal when we all have our own minds, could it just be that with 99.9% of the population being sexual that there is not protection of a pedastal but instead that's just the way it is?

It suits minorities to play the victim even more so in this social media world rather than just admit, hey I'm part of a minority and I should be proud of that rather than as we do currently and shout from the highest roof tops...hey I am a minority but I want you to treat me as the majority whilst ignoring the fact you are..in a minority.

I do agree that looking for a "cause" is a waste of time. I've always felt we are born on a pre determined day and will die on a pre determined day, what makes us and who we are largely is defined by ourselves. Whilst others may offer/cause b roads...only we decide the roads we take

for that I can see i am who i am "because" mostly because I am very much at peace with who and what I am. I recognise others inputs but always go back to my self belief and direction. My feeling is that too many people always look to hard.

Asexuality is a good example of that...asexuality is the lack of sexual attraction...do you feel sexual attraction at any time? then no you are not asexual but people who say they prefer the truth rarely do ....and as such want to belong for no matter how long the length of time is so create more and more options till they feel they fit in

I don't need anyones approval for who i am, nor do i need a label of falseness or 20 million what ifs so I can keep looking and wasting my life on what ifs or buts.

Somethings just are

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Re: On seeking causes of orientation

Postby flergalwit » 13 Jul 2013, 05:05

For the record, I completely disagree with the OP (written back in 2009 though... long loooong time ago). No-one knows what underlying mechanisms cause sexual orientation, but as far as I can see it's a perfectly well-posed scientific question, albeit one that is currently out of our reach.

"Arguing that sexual orientation (of any kind) is genetic / learned / socialised / set in the womb / ordained by some higher power / otherwise caused… basically all boils down to accepting the premise: if people can be made heterosexual, they should be made heterosexual, and if people can’t be made heterosexual, then society should accept everyone as they are."

No, none of those things follow from the premise, in any of its forms. I want to know what causes sexual orientation for the same reason I want the answer to any other scientific question - because I'm curious. What would be done with the knowledge, if anything, is another matter entirely.

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Re: On seeking causes of orientation

Postby CatBunny » 02 Apr 2016, 13:47

Yeah, I know this is old but also disagree. Being able to scientifically prove that sexual orientations are a real, biological thing is key to fully understanding them and accepting sexual orientations as natural, not acquired. Also some scientists assume bisexuality might be the default and pure heterosexuality is rare in humans haha...
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